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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:07:23 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:3) Pity any poor idiot in high-sec. This is the biggest buff to high-sec ganking that I've ever seen. There will be literally no reason why every EVE player shouldn't have a basic ganking account, if not lots of them (see #2). We can already do that because of the last stupid feature the SP extractor. A suicide ganker has a very limited set of kills he needs. Once that is trained up you can simply extract and sell the excess SP to get the next PLEX. I reduced my subscriptions from 3 to 1 and have now 4 account, 3 of them get PLEXed this way.
So looks like you once again make a drama about nothing.
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:29:15 -
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"Let's alpha that miner!", totally new meaning!
Joke aside, let's look at the real problem:
To every new player coming from a classic f2p MMO this will look like the most greedy over-the-top pay2win MMO of all time:
- Can only use ships to run level 2 missions? Buy a PLEX with $ and get more ISK! - Only extremely slow SP accumulation? Buy more PLEX with $ and get more SP! - Only crappy ships and modules? Pay 15$ a month to access all the other toys! - Paid those 15$ and now you need even more SP and ISK? Get some more PLEX for $!!!
This just looks really horrible for a new player and they will look at the game and say: "No way I can play competitive without throwing money at CCP! What kind of monument to the pay2win gods is that?!!"
Now before you all cry "but it still needs player skill to fly so it's not pay to win". Every game needs player skill, so this argument is just dumb so there are either no p2w games or this is one of the worst and I hope you are glad I told you that so you did not make a fool out of yourself by brining that argument. yw.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:21:51 -
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Quote:The CSM heard about this concept just a couple days ago--basically the same time you are Why do they exist again? They do not even state their opinion in this thread.
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Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2016.09.05 18:02:40 -
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Daylan Vokan wrote:EvE is a subscription game that is going to adopt a free play mode instead of limited time trial, If the alpha gets to a point where he wants to join the ranks of Omega's he subscribes - Not pay2win. If it was that it had for instance for a payment of : 20 dollars for 30 days access to 3x damage mods 30 dollars for 15 days access to 2x accelerated leaning ^^ pay2win^^ Read and inwardly digest meanings before spouting doomsday prophecies How about:
15 dollars for 30 days access to t2 weapons and ships (and even more!! Packagedeal!!1!)
Would that qualify as well as pay2win or why not?
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Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2016.09.06 04:35:32 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Daylan Vokan wrote:EvE is a subscription game that is going to adopt a free play mode instead of limited time trial, If the alpha gets to a point where he wants to join the ranks of Omega's he subscribes - Not pay2win. If it was that it had for instance for a payment of : 20 dollars for 30 days access to 3x damage mods 30 dollars for 15 days access to 2x accelerated leaning ^^ pay2win^^ Read and inwardly digest meanings before spouting doomsday prophecies How about: 15 dollars for 30 days access to t2 weapons and ships (and even more!! Packagedeal!!1!) Would that qualify as well as pay2win or why not? For the reason that is literally explained in the post you quoted. So it is basically pay2win then, since there is literally no difference between the three suggested examples except maybe from a price point.
I know one of them is special because EVE has a "subscription model" but it is special for you and the current EVE Online player, not the new player expecting a free2play game. And they will expect a free2play game, also it is clearly the intention of CCP to make EVE appear as free2play to get new customers, why else would they even bother to implement this change in the first place?
Do you really expect the new players which will recognise the "15 dollars for 30 days access to t2 weapons" as a massive pay2win paywall to "get it" and just say "ah, it used to be subscription model game, so it's ok and not greedy as ****"?
Also SP injectors, the other big extremely expensive paywall.
I am not here to whine about EVE becoming "pay2win". I am seriously concerned how this will look for a new player expecting a free2play game. And you can write all day "it's not free2play.. blah blah blah.." tell that to the new players who will not read the dev blog or your arguments on the forums and just the headline in some computer game magazine "EVE now free2play".
I seriously doubt this will work. I also seriously doubt CCP is finished. I am almost sure this is another incremental step in changing EVE to a full free2play game. The SP extractor change was the start and this is not the end. They probably roll this changes out one per year to not drive away the current subscriber base.
Also we can write stuff all day here, it's not like CCP will change it's plans because of us. I think they may even be aware of the problem and maybe already have the plan to fix this ready in the drawer, and that is probably what concerns me the most.
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Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2016.09.06 05:32:04 -
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Teckos Pech wrote: Every Free2Play game I have tried (admittedly not many as I saw the handwriting on the wall) was "Pay2Win" in the sense that by going to your wallet you:
progressed faster got better damage dealing ammo/weapons/items
Well, there are free2play titles who will sell only vanity items and no items which change the game play. There are some who only accelerate progress. And there are some who sell gold ammo and those are called pay2win (like t2 weapons behind a paywall). Players recognise the difference. They will not buy all the seriously far fetched arguments about "it some kind of subscription based game thing.. it is basically an extended trial.. why are you looking at me this way?".
In EVE you will basically have all of the above: - permanent vanity items for cash - non-permanent access to gold ammo for cash - SP (skill progress) for cash
What I try to say is basically, it looks seriously greedy for a free2play title! And new players will instantly see that given the price points of the above mentioned "paywalls".
This is my last post about this. There is no point in discussing it anymore I think. CCP will do whatever they want anyway and I am sure I will find some use for the new system as well. Fresh accounts with an alpha clone make greate corp infiltration toons and I always wanted to try that
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Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2016.09.06 06:31:35 -
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Malcanis wrote:There's no way to reason people out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place. That's not a reason to act unreasonably yourself. Well I am glad for you that you are not concerned about this change. It's just a bit sad you don't actually address any points and show where I'm wrong. Instead you seam pretty convinced that there is no problem, hence your smartass-comments which contribute absolutely nothing to the discussion. Care to share your view about why you are so convinced new players will not perceive this as greedy pay2win?
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Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2016.10.13 13:17:05 -
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So anyone who still thinks this is so great and will totally not look like p2w since it is marketed as "extended trial", please go to the test server and embrace the new extended trial regular/premium model where you wish you actually had an ingame ad-blocker for all the premium advertisement on every corner.
Good job trashing a quality game CCP, looks like you try to bring your only successful product down to the level of your other games.
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